getting a lot of money to the rfk and campaign and super back, she helped fund the super bowl commercial, and as a running mate she can get unlimited amounts of money to the campaign, within just a few days of her announcement, she made $2 million. we will see how much more she's able to get. that money means a lot to a candidate, that's an expensive task. she is going to be contributing a lot of money to make that happen. >> okay, she is a bank account or a wallet. give me a sense of rfk poses a greater threat to trump or biden. give me about 15 seconds of what you are feeling is on that.>> it is hard to say. i find people who are republicans and democrats in between, the nbc poll's point

that he was taking more from trump, i would say it is too soon to say, a lot of these third-party counties candidates who support as the election goes on. we need to see who he loses support from, democrats or republicans.>> that will do it for me, i will see you wednesday, at 3:00 p.m. eastern, and be back here next saturday and sunday at 1:00 p.m. i will see you wednesday, at 3:00 p.m. eastern, and be back here next saturday and sunday at 1:00 p.m. msnbc prime weekend is next. [ music ] ] now. thank you so much and thank you president trump. i have stage fright.

>> she is great. >> beloved by the ex- president, hope hicks is be someone we heard a lot about during the term presidency but almost never heard from. it was very rare to hear her voice. you can see her behind the podium. that was until today. hope hicks was the star blockbuster witness in day 11 of donald trump's criminal election interference hush money trial. she was someone and donald trump's tightest most innermost circle for many years. first working for him at the trump organization and then as a his campaign press secretary and then worked in his white house. discussing her time on the campaign, hope hicks said, "we were all just following his lead" referring to the ex- president. hi hope hicks said she does not recall being in an august 2015 meeting with davidpecker where d the catch and kill scheme was

launched. but it is possible she was there. she does recall participating in phone calls like after the national enquirer published a negative piece about donald trump's then rival for the republican nomination, ben carson. hope hicks remembers that donald trump praised that piece calling it "pulitzer worthy." hope hicks also provided the jury an insider look into the meltdown of the entire trump campaign following the public release of the access hollywood tape. hope hicks testified to this. "there was consensus among us all that the tape was damaging and that this would be a crisis. when it came to the stories of karen mcdougal mcdougall and stormy daniels, hope hicks detailed how she became to know about the stories and how she worked with the ex-president and michael cohen to craft denials of trump's involvement with either of those women. before hope hicks took the stand today, judge juan merchan took time to debunk this information that trump spouted outside the courthouse just yesterday.

in his usual, typical daily railing against the gag order placed on him, donald trump lied and said that the gag th order prevents him from testifying in his own defense during the trial. it is claimed that judge juan merchan quickly shot down the ha claim this morning. according to sources in the courtroom, the judge said, "it has come to my attention that there might be a misunderstanding. i want to stress to thmr. trump that he have the absolute right to testify up that is what you decide. that is a constitutional right that you have not been denied come just as you have noan absolute right not to testify." the gag order does not prohibit you from taking the stand or limit what you can say on the witness stand. it only applies to extrajudicial statements. those are statements outside the court." >> donald detrump paid the $90 he has been fined for violating the gag order. judge juan merchan is expected four additional t violations of the gag order next week. we will start the hour with

some of our favorite experts and friends with us at the table, our msnbc legal correspondent, lisa ruben, one of two joining the table from the courthouse and executive editor of the national enquirer and social correspondent for the hollywood reporter back with us. and former lead investigator for the january 6th select committee joins us. one of the few people that has interviewed hope hicks on the record as part of the january 6th select committee investigation into the deadly insurrection. lisa ruben, i will start with you. hope hicks had a dramatic testimony. she became emotional and it seemed to destroy any defense by donald trump that he did not have the payments. >> absolutely. and i want to go back to tim's experience. in the weeks leading up to the testimony, i had spent some time with the prior testimony of hope hicks and two in particular. she gave testimony in 2019 to the house judiciary committee and testified for the committee that tim was the chief and

oxidative counsel for, the generous six committee. in those interviews, she was truthful but not forthcoming. one of the things that came across differently in 2022 however than 2019, was her willingness and ability to talk about what happened in the t white house. what happened in between those times, a bunch of litigation instigated by congress in the house to vitiate donald trumpth claims of executive privilege. but in 2019, when hope hicks walked into the house judiciary, she was willing to talk about what happened during the campaign and no further. she would not say what she learned, what she knew while she was in the white house. those were the most dramatic moments today and where the prosecution quite dramatically also landed in asking hope hicks to reveal what donald trump said to her after michael cohen came forward and claimed to the new york times that he himself made the payment to stormy daniels. hope hicks dethen related, dona

trump told me michael cohen did this out of the goodness of his heart because he wanted to protect me from false accusations. instead of asking her, did you think the president was telling you the truth, very smartly, he went around it and said, was that consistent of your experience with michael cohen? and her answer was just devastating. she said, no. michael cohen was not a person that i knew to be selfless. he was the sort of person who was out for credit. so in one blow, hope hicks both dammed the defense very badly and in damaging michael cohen, also help to the prosecution quite a bit. both softening the jury up for the character there about to meet but also almost throwing him under the bus in order to save the case. it wasn't credible to her that michael cohen would have paid this because he was not that guy. >> the other piece she seems to endorse when she gets there

is she makes clear that she was basically the communications director. he was in charge of the message and who the message was delivered to. she basically put reporters on the phone and facilitated things but he was a micromanager. >> her communications director experience was not like yours i will venture to say. she, as it medications director, i think you are right. she was a mouthpiece. as she said today, they view trump as a communication savant. that is why the team was as small as y it was. they didn't need all those people because everything happening in the campaign was in his head. >> and it lands on the bombshell. clearly a smoking gun is the underlying crime. 2018 he says, dodged a bullet. so glad it came out now. >> that was the part of the conversation. when he is musing out loud to her, would have been better, hope, if it had, before or now? i think it is better that it came out now. it was literally a minute or

two after that that hope hicks became emotional. and i don't think that was accidental. none of us know what was in her head or could say what made her emotional but i can't ulimagine that sitting across the courtroom from somebody you devoted your life to and were at one time so close with, that you are essentially a surrogate child to them, to be seen in that position as a criminal defendant and to know what you are about to say is about to dramatically impact the future of the case. that has to be overwhelming for anyone. i know we have viewers that find it disappointing when we di have empathy for people in this drama. i have a lot of empathy for the hope hicks i saw in court today. she was not the hope hicks i saw in the video. >> another extraordinary moment was when she had to answer to her own e-mails. she gets the access hollywood transcript. she forwards it with the instruction of course quote deny deny deny end quote. as sympathetic as anyone

appears when they cry in court sitting across from someone she clearly revered who may have disappointed -- and who knows what she is feeling when she is crying. she bought into the mo which is deny deny deny. >> for me, that was the most externally moment. seeing that key access hollywood tape. also seeing the -- what the - wall street journal called for common with the karen mcdougal story. and had a conversation with me one hour or so previous. >> take me through all of this and why it matters. >> the friday before the election and i get a phone call from the wall street journal and they say someone from the investigative team has come up v and asked for help getting a story across the line. and i said, do you know anything about a woman named karen mcdougal? i seleucus, i have to call you back. i walked outside the building and walked away and i called him back and said, if i'm help

you, i'm caught. i have my visa as leverage. and knew that if i used this, it would give me cover and i said this is a catch and kill. they said what is a catch and kill? i went on to explain the tablet process of buying a story of the market. i go back up to my office after telling him the karen mcdougal story, $150,000 and not to run it but to kill it. i'm sweating and my pulses racing and they come into my office and say, the wall street journal has a story coming and blame a couple of old-timers for the week. what was fascinating for me today was finding out what else was going on when the comment was made to hope hicks and the communication of jared pushing off. they are looking to buy. o and communicating internally toc

figure out what the strategy is here. and so seeing the bits and pieces for me today play out was filling in the pieces of the puzzle. >> to wayour point, it wasn't criminal catch and kill. it wasn't. it had the election interference as a motive. but it was still the mo. it wasn't, let's talk and see if it is true. is it's deny, deny, deny. kill, kill, kill. suppress, suppress, suppress. >> and the other thing we got to see was the key medication between michael cohen and hope after the story comes out in atlanta late on that friday night. i know because i was taking cover at a sushi place in the village hoping nobody would call me asking if i had any involvement getting the story out there and nobody did. what we know from the messages in court is that michael cohen and hope are communicating and michael cohen is saying, it is poorly written and not getting h

any traction. tr and hope made the joke that it o is here in this indictment. i thought they had gotten away with it. because the story got swallowed up in election. the five alarm fire with access hollywood didn't happen here. and we went to that last week of the election. >> it is clear from her telling of the response to access hollywood, and you look at jurors as people that you are telling the story to if you are a prosecutor. she tells the story of how it of wiped the hurricane off the news. >> and that is so important because then we get into when michael cohen comes in with the stormy daniels situation. she comes on the scene and they do not one, as it came up in court, and then you have a pornography star with a story about an affair with a married man. and potentially would be in

office. >> there is something so erie about watching a young woman who took trump's word for it. at this point, i think there are 19 women that credibly accused trump of sexual misconduct. and she could see the access hollywood tape. before she said, let's watch it, it is deny, deny, deny. incredible insight into the campaign. >> an e-mail she was sent have the transcript appended to it. and she doesn't relet realize that at the time she puts deny, deny, deny. and she was sheepish about that in court saying instinctively, that is what i wrote. and i realize as i'm sitting here today that the transcript was actually at the bottom of what i had been sent. >> i did my due diligence and i will find out if the story is right or not. that is something else that came out today. and we are on the other side when we go for comment. but clearly saying, i just accepted donald trump's word or of whoever t this was taken in

statement said, i don't know if it was true or false. >> she puts it to her colleagues owbefore she interrupts. she knows that will be her instruction. you are in this rare fight era of people that have asked questions of hope picks and deceived -- received answers. what did you think of the testimony today? >> it sounded very familiar. she was reluctant to talk to a credible when she did. and she was not happy to provide information she knew and could potentially damage her former boss and mentor, the former president, when she spoke to the select committee. similarly today, it was emotionally difficult to do. i think that enhances her credibility. she provided a couple of really significant facts to the select committee, one of which was her belief that the election was not stolen and the fact that she conveyed that to the president e several times. to accept this and start talking about your legacy and not wasting time on these

claims of election fraud. she also told us that in the days before january 6, she encouraged the president to issue daa statement telling his followers that they should remain peaceful and that kirschman reported he had a conversation with the president and the president said no. the people may not, and it might depress turnout. two significant facts that helped gnus piece together the narrative with respect to january 6. separate subject matter from one hope hicks testified about today. i found her smart and credible and reluctant. is therefore even more candid and truthful in the damaging things that she said. >> let me play some of that i for you. >> we adjusted it several times. that means the president said something about being nonviolent. suggested several times monday and tuesday and he refused. tell us eswhat happened.

>> sure. i didn't speak to the president about this directly but i communicated people like eric kirschman, that it was my view that it was important that the put out some kind of message in advance of the event. >> and what was the response? >> he said that he had made the same recommendation directly to the president and he had refused. >> so i understand mr. hirschman said he recommended to the president of the president convey a message that people should and the president refers to do that? >> yes. >> it is clear that she knows right from wrong. it is also clear that she does not run into the burning building until trump, you do this or else.

which makes her a fascinating, almost organized crime trials coming at the testimony from the people that were low-key enough to be around when the most devious schemes were hatched. >> so much of what we were probing and with the current cases probing is what is on donald trump's mind, nicole. we talked again and again about intent and what the president ag means. not many people are as close to him or had the direct communication with him or know him as well as hope hicks. when she gives the that vignette like that, i was concerned there would be violence january 6th and thso was eric kirschman. the president said, we cannot suppress turnout. that is huge. it is credible and it gives you a window into the president's state of mind. like when she says he was very concerned about the stories and the impact on the election and not just on his life but the election, that is really he credible and it gives you a

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money child that there is more than one version of donald trump. there is what he projects to his base, the donald trump we are familiar with and the one he desperately wants the world to see where he plays the victim of political persecution and political prosecutions, where he is defiant and self- assured and there is the other version. the private and real one without the mask. the same donald trump that admitted to his aid that, how could i lose to this guy before trying to violently overturn his defeat pick the one who knew how deadly covid was and it was airborne despite what he said to the american people. the one stripped of his bluster and vitriol. both of those donald trumps are in court together this weekend is one gives one -- gives fiery speeches and lashes out against witnesses in the media, the other is forced to sit there and watch people he knows described and sometimes in uncomfortable detail, and extramarital affair, hush money

payments to a pornography star. we have mary trump, clinical psychologist and niece of donald trump. author of the sub stack "the good in us." i have been dying to talk to you. i hang on to your every tweet and utterance on other programs. i'm dying to know what this is like for you to watch and faye some accountability. >> nicole, it is something that i despaired that would ever happen. i don't want to get too excited. this is early days. last week, we heard a lot about the split screen. donald trump, criminal defendant in a new york city courtroom and the supreme court hearing arguments about whether or not donald trump apparently members of the supreme court think he is a monarch or something. i think the real split screen

made to think about is donald trump, presidential candidate of the republican party and donald trump, anti- american authoritarian want to be. the problem is that we are seeing that these are being treated as two entirely different people. it is as if the fact that he is a criminal defendant, the fact that he has committed alleged crimes against united states of america, have no impact whatsoever on his relevance or his standing as a candidate for the presidency. and that i find really troubling. it seems there is always a way out for him. there is always somebody willing to bail him out, even if it looks like there is no escape. and that is what we saw last week and i don't know. it worries me quite honestly

that, as deep the trouble is that he is in, it may not be enough. >> that is on us and in the framing and it is unbelievable to me on year eight or nine. for me, watching the trial, i remember all those news cycles. i sat with my then colleague brian williams today access hollywood came out in the day he attacked megyn kelly. i remember these news cycles. and your right. covering his trial as a thing happening to him and not who he is is on us. and i wonder what you make of the fact that he is now -- i thought about this and about the journalism that drove the coverage of him and 16, 17 and 18. that there is no investigative journalism that would unveil how autocratic he is if elected. he is saying it from the podium and in interviews he agreed to do with time magazine. what is the failure to login and pay attention to what he is saying out loud?

>> this is a trend that has been happening for decades. donald is incredibly good at pushing the envelope and pulling back in those rare instances in which he gets pushed back. but usually what happens is he pushes the envelope and he breaks norms and defies expectations and gets away with it. so he pushes the envelope more to see what else he can get away with. he normalizes outrageous and egregious behavior. we are literally at the point where we say, we don't need to analyze or interpret anything. it is in black and white. he is literally saying, i'm going to be an authoritarian and i'm going to take away women's rights. i'm going to say anything i need to say in order to get back into power. and when that happens, i will not be stopped.

and he has so much help in this endeavor that i think it is even more crucially important that the fourth estate step up. as we saw last week, the supreme court certainly is not going to. >> when we come back, our special series, american autocracy. listening to the disgraced ex- president, it could very well happen here in his own words. much more on trump's very public plans on what he intends to do if he is reelected president. on ct. r-o-l-a-i-d-s spells relief.

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time magazine, the warning of such an alarming future isn't coming from us or the experts we are lucky enough to get to talk to on this program, but coming from the horses mouth. the horse of course is that one of the autocrat himself, former president donald jay trump. and a lengthy interview, trump goes into great detail and outlines his specific plans for a second term. they include deporting 11 million people from the country. having red states monitor pregnant women and prosecuting those that violate abortion bans including withholding appropriate funds, firing and u.s. attorney that does not listen to donald trump's orders , pardons for all the january 6th rioters, abandoning our international allies if donald trump feels they have not paid enough. deploying the national guard to cities as he sees fit, closing the white house pandemic preparedness office and

staffing his administration only with those who believe the big lie about the 2020 election. time magazine asking trump about his comment about being a dictator on day one which he said was a common made. and said whether or not he was kidding will bring a tyrannical end to our democracy, i asked him, don't you see why many americans see such talk of dictatorship is contrary? trump says no. quite the opposite. he says, i think a lot of people like it. joining our conversation, cofounder and executive director of protect democracy is back with us. ever since this time interview burst into public, i wanted to talk to you about your thoughts. >> i think one question we might ask is, what is trump doing here? what is his game?

why say the things he is saying and the extreme lengths he is pledging to go to? i think it is this. what trump fundamentally cares about is power for himself. there is a wonderful new daily from the new york times where they make this point that trump's overarching concern is just his own power. if you look at the worst tyrants in those in history, many became vehemently corrupt and tried to line their own pockets. most of them came to power on some ideological agendas part of some movement about the way they thought society should be. whether it is fidel castro or joseph stone or adolf hitler. they were part of the political program. trump is unique in the way that he is not. what he is interested in is his own power. our system is one of checks and balances. and trump learned that during

his first term when he tried to exercise the total power he wanted and was thwarted by checks and balances. what is he doing with the timepiece? he is trying to build a mandate to give himself the power to override the checks if he returns to office. he is laying out everything he wants to do. he saying, i'm going to take total power. so if he wins, he can say, i have a right to do it. there is a mandate for dictatorship and i'm overwriting these checks and gets what he has always been after. >> we have seen it before. what he does is inoculates himself with any guard rails. cell republicans, if he gets impeached by the house, would never get convicted in the senate. they all shrugged their shoulders and say, he says that every day on the campaign trail. we need he would prosecute his enemies. this is one of the things he has been trying to do since the earliest days as president. the reporting was as early as 2017, or 2018 that don mcgahn stopped him from having the d.a. prosecute james comey and hillary clinton and others. and it was only when his

handpicked special investigator john jerome started looking into all of the folks and finally felt like they were doing his work and his prosecuting. i want to redo the section from the interview with time. would you fire a u.s. attorney that didn't prosecute someone he ordered them to? trump, it depends on the situation honestly. trump wanted to and tried to do this. again, it is fundamentally changing what the department of justice would be. that feels like a real leap from what he is able to do or restrained from doing even though he wanted to in the first term. >> one of the leaders he admires the most is victor ergan. what he and the autocrats have done is tried to separate out

what we consider to be liberal democracy into two different parts. liberal democracy like i need this in the classic political science like liberals on the left but in the classic sense where you have a system of government that is democratic but then they are constrained by the rule of law and by checks and balances and individual rights. that is a liberal component of the term liberal democracy. and viktor orban tried to dispense with that. and trump wants to dispense that to and wrap himself in the claim that he has the mandate if he is returned to power to do that. so in the situation like the one you alluded to where there is a don mcgahn saying, you cannot fire this u.s. attorney because they won't simply go out there and prosecute somebody you don't like, trump can say, really? because i said i was going to do that. the american people elected me to do that. get out of my way. i have a right to do it. i'm a liberal democrat. that is what he is trying to do. >> how do you make american democracy great again if he is

so condition and primed his space and his enablers in the republican party to do these things? >> here is where i think the good news is. there is an anti- maga, anti- liberal majority in the country that have shown up in 2018 and 2020, 2022, 2023. it is because fundamentally, i think the country does cherish its freedom. and when they look at the things that trump is promising, to pardon every one of the people who stormed the capital, broke doors and windows, attacked law enforcement with poles and fire exposures, beat people, saying, i'm going to let all those people go. a lot of people are expressing concern right now about crime in this country. it happens to be the case that historically, crime is down. what do you think will happen when people who did that are told, you get off scott free. and we will celebrate your

violence? you will get more violence. i think that is the thing that the public ultimately will reject in november. i don't think we are a company that wants to release that kind of violence in the streets. >> trump was asked come in the last conversation, you said you were not worried about political violence in connection with the election. and "i think we will win and there will be violence." what if you don't win? trump, i do think we will win. we are way ahead. i don't think they will be able to do the things that they did the last time, which were horrible. and if we don't win, and you know, it depends. it always depends on the fairness of an election. i don't believe they will be able to do the things they did last time. i don't think they will be able to get away with it. we live in a post- january 6 america. these are not theoretical. this isn't to say it isn't

real. and post paul pelosi or in a world where other officials were targeted. what do you make of keeping this specter of political violence if he doesn't win out there this many months of an election? >> i make of what i heard from jim -- donald trump january 6, which is almost an excitement. stopping just short of actually using the words but similar to when he was on the debate stage before the election in 2020. and he said proud boys. stand down and stand by. proud boys, one of the groups of foot soldiers, a gateway group to white supremacy that was part of the organizing of the violence. those are his foot soldiers. he was signaling to whoever the base is, in the way he will

activate, the way ian said for his own personal power and his own personal ability to try to grab, take, steal, hold on to power and take some rotten saran wrap and try to make it look like a flag. and call that democracy and try to suggest to a base of people that they are fighting for democracy using that big debunked lie of voter fraud and stealing election. many republican governors said it wasn't true. he is using that to spin a false narrative in the minds of a few. and it is not a majority of the country. but says it is okay. and to say he may call them up.

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this story is about what is broken and rotten in politics. and i believe some would add, in us as well. it is also something monstrous. if you have a little person around, you might want to turn this down. it is a deeply upsetting story and infuriating to everybody. self dakota governor kristi noem is trying to sugarcoat her actions. killing her family puppy. the outrage over the weekend was rather nonpartisan and universal. the horrifying announcement from someone who is in the running to be donald trump's vice president. according to the guardian, kristi noem explains in her new book, heartless and inhumane murder of cricket 20 years ago. cricket was a puppy.

a year or two months old when kristi noem shot and killed her after leaving her to a gravel pit and deeming her on trainable and less than worthless as a hunting dog. kristi noem says she went on to kill a family go the same way after wounding the goat with a shot. since the disclosure on the outrage that came with it, kristi noem has tried several times to excuse her decision to take the most horrific way out i guess or approach to handling a rambunctious puppy. a job she assigned herself to but only looking worse to the humane person. she tried to argue that her handling of tough decisions on a farm somehow makes her a better person and leader. and apparently more politically incorrect stories to share.

during the conversation, two friends of the broadcast that are both dog lovers, marco elias is here and our nbc news contributor is with us. there are stories and politics that we need help deciphering and there are stories that are truly so monstrous that they explain themselves. to me, this feels like one of those. >> sometimes you get a telescope into people's character., dog lover. she is 17 years old. she is a jack russell mix. the idea that you can team the puppy worthless and then kill it . imagine that rhetoric transferred to human beings. these people are deemed disposable. these folks are worthless. >> on trainable. how would that heart respond to this? >> it is horrifying. i want to give a little more

context. this story was out there last week. i ignored it on purpose because i found it unbearable. they are hunting dogs and are very spirited. imagine the dog she murdered had some of that spirit. that is the reason why i am on my third visual. the story is out there because she wrote about it in a book that is her longform resume to be picked as vice president. >> it tells you everything you need to know about the modern republican party under donald trump. that someone who wants to aspire to national office would purposely celebrate and put out for public consumption the idea that she murdered a puppy by shooting it. not a puppy that had been suffering or a dog that was at the end of life. but literally murdered a puppy because the dog was too rambunctious. and this, she views as an

example of making tough decisions. think about that for a second. she aspires to be in the white house and shooting puppies is her resume builder for making tough decisions. and by the way, yes, there has been a bipartisan outcry. i have not heard donald trump outcry or say, shooting puppies is out of bounds. so maybe she knows something about donald trump that you and i don't. >> i remember donald trump did not want mike pences to bring the pets. we know what trump thinks about dogs. let me show you what was said about the rot that this reveals in the gop. >> this kristi noem thing, the most remarkable part of it is that the conservative movement has been so corrupted by donald trump. and it has reached such new

lows that she actually put that and about the killing of a happy puppy because she thought it would help her with the base. >> someone smarter then me said this. the cruelty is the point. >> exactly. >> it is not just the cruelty but the brutality. she thinks that putting on a resume, i'm so tough that i will kill puppies, will impress donald trump. and we ought to know that donald trump has made it his fetish for brutality pretty obvious. he talks about not just killing puppies but killing people in traditional executions of drug dealers. shooting shoplifters. it has become one of his go to lyons. but why did she put that in the book? the only possible explanation is that this was part of her argument, that i will never be weak like mike pence. i'm willing to do the dirty

jobs. i'm willing to be tough. how tough in my? i will kill a puppy. i will kill ago. she thought that would play with donald trump. if there is any good news on this, it is that even on earth too, murdering puppies is a bridge too far. maybe we have found the bottom here. i think most people in both political parties were repelled by it. it is incredibly revealing that kristi noem and the people around her would say this would be a good story. the boss will like it. he not only hates dogs but he kind of likes the brutality and he is looking for somebody that will do unspeakable things. the number one thing he is looking for in a vice presidential candidate is somebody who will not refrain from doing something like this.

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