about gaza as a whole. more than 14,000 children are believed to have been killed in gaza. the united nations says a child is killed or injured there every 10 minutes. but that is a number and i think it is easy for us to to net out. and at the end of the day i want to remind people of the stakes of this as it goes on and the stakes are little kids like that. a mom warning -- morning her child. you multiply the grief by 14,000 and you begin to understand the devastation in gaza and our complicity in it. >> gentlemen, i appreciate the nuance and complexity that you have outlined in this conversation because of the things going on over there and in this country, they do require complex thinking. thank you to both of you. kristof is a columnist for the your times, peter is editor at

large of jurors currents and author of the book the crisis of zionism. another hour of velshi begins now. now. >> good morning, it's sunday oo may 5th. many republican lawmakers have spent the weekend in sunny florida where the gop held its annual spring retreat this year. some of them will have to face the bleak situation that faces them on capitol hill. thousands of her presenters will be back in session tomorrow. there is one big issue hanging over their heads. marjorie taylor greene is continuing to bow to force a vote to oust the speaker of the house, mike johnson, which she intends to bring in the floor in the coming days. if you didn't already know, marjorie taylor greene is big matt that johnson worked with ha democrats to negotiate the passage of some major bills, particularly the latest package of foreign aid that includes $60 billion for ukraine.

aid to ukraine has become a ne contentious point for many republican members, driven in no small part by donald trump's opposition to sending more aid i to the war-torn nation. in fact, the majority of house republicans actually voted against the latest ukraine aid package when it came up for a vote a couple weeks ago. johnson, however, appears likely to survive the threat to oust him, thanks in large part to his counterparts across the aisle. house democratic leaders announced last week that their t members would be willing to wo vote to table the motion, effectively rescuing jostens speakership at least for now. rs even amongst house republicans, there doesn't appear to be much appetite for another potentially embarrassing speakership battle. so far, only two other gop members, thomas massey and paul gosar have publicly supported marjorie taylor greene's effort. what happens next? where is the house go from here? democrats have expressed their willingness to work across the aisle to get something done in

the house but the extremists within the republican party see bipartisanship as an affable unforgivable sin. even though trump is being t forced to spend most of his time inside the courtroom as a criminal defendant, he remains defective the leader of the e gop, his influence is undeniable. he is the clear source of the issues that continue to drive a wedge in the republican party, causing chaos within the political system. joining me now is hayes brown, opinion writer for the msnbc and steve bannon and an msn pc lyrical contributor, and author of the book the imposters, how republicans quit governing and seized american politics. marjorie taylor greene is facing quite a bit of pushback for her allies and others in the republican party or as many are republic to oust mike

johnson. why is she moving forward with this plan to tear down her own party speaker? >> in the abstract you would think marjorie taylor greene would back down. she is seeing all kinds of pressure from conservative media from her own colleagues in the house. ag common sense might say the smart move for her would be to listen all these folks and back down. she's not doing that and i think there are three reasons why. the first is i think she has backed herself into a corner. she will look bad if she goes through with this but on the other hand if she backs down she looks weak. she is looking to avoid that which is one of the reasons she's moving forward. additionally, there is a dynamic in which the republican base likes people who fight even when they know they are going to lose that fight, because there is an urgent among reconciled conservatives that they want to see the effort, they want to see the fight for the sake of the fight even if the outcome is predetermined. in addition to that, green is of the opinion, i think she's wrong, but she's of the opinion that there will be backlash in the base. they will vote in large numbers to take speaker johnson and far

left activists will bail against democrats in an election year and will ultimately hurt democrats to proceed in that course. i think that's a mistake, that assumption, in large part the democratic base understands why the party is going on with this. you look at why greene is doing this and this is a key fact. >> there is an election exactly 6 months away, people are just going to be voting for the present, these house members are all up for reelection two. let's think about that. this issue that steve raises, there are a few democrats who have expressed dissatisfaction with the decision to keep mike johnston alive but fundamentally the democrats gain more by saying this is what the country needs to get done, the republicans are a complete junkyard of a mess. so why don't we not contribute more to this? >> i think that you're right

there. i think anyone who is unwilling to go ahead and help out with this vote for mike johnson are probably a very safe district. if you're a democrat who is in a swing district as there are few swing districts these days than you are looking at this issue very pragmatically. you are looking to be able to say we are the party who is actually able to govern. we are the party who was actually able to put aside petty differences and make sure something happens. i think that any sort of backlash among democrats is probably going to be among the more progressive members saying, look, why don't we try to shoot arrows shot? get hakeem johnson actually and as a speaker? the counter to that is in leveraging democratic vote yet again to help out mike johnson, this clears the way for a stronger democratic hand as they tried to keep republicans i from pushing forward more cuts s in the new goshen for fiscal year 2025 which should be happening this summer.

they are preparing to fund the g government for next year, which the timeline gets weird when you see how much things get pushed back in congress. this year's federal funding didn't pass until march thanks to chaos among the republicans. to keep johnson in place, democrats are going to use that leverage to say, look, we don't want these insane cuts, let's have a clean, straightforward negotiation from the start on what the spending levels will be. >> hopeful thinking, if true, steve. i know you read everything. there are some progressive members of the democratic party who are underscoring the fact that mike johnson is actually ideologically one of the more conservative members of the house, and he is still an election denier. so the idea that democrats

might not just be keeping the business of government going but my delicious i don't want to put words in hayes map, but recurring some favor or gathering a chip for something r they could use later. there are some democrats who say not worth making a deal with the devil. >> they have a point. y let's be clear about this. be mike johnson is not a moderate. he's further to the right and kevin mccarthy, mike johnson is the most far right speaker in modern american history. at that point why in the world would democrats go along with saving him? i think we know the answer. for one reason it's the devil you know versus the devil you don't problem. they had to vote to replace mike johnson, will his successor be worse? the answer is probably yes so the calculus makes sense. i can, look at recent history, the last several months. johnson has repeatedly turned to democrats to advance key legislation, including the ukraine aid.

that is an important element for them when they are making this decision. as he just noted, there is leverage coming up, votes on essay authorization, key bridge, there are votes on fiscal year 2025 and if they can leverage this road in an advantage then that works in democrats favor. >> hayes, i am conscious of the fact that there are many people who are worried about democracy and how the next y election goes, not from a horse race perspective, not from a pulling perspective from a substantive perspective. i worry about bringing this wo topic up, but this gathering of republicans in florida right now underscores one thing, and n that is the unofficial race for vice presidential candidate for the republican party is on. a handful of people who want to be trump's running mate are down in florida this week and basically auditioning for trump. what's your sense of how this goes and whether it even matters, who donald trump's running mate is? >> donald trump's running mate matters in the way it always

matters. if he is a knight unable for whatever reason to fill the duties of president, who is f going to step in? i think that when you look back at 2016, the idea of mike pence being in there as a backup to trump, as being a sort of yes- man to him, that, i think, should weigh heavily in our minds. we should be thinking about, ul yes, this person could become president, but who is going to enable him the most? who's going to say, yeah, you're right. he is not going to push back on him, he is trying to do unconstitutional things. who is going to be in the room to say no, i don't think that's right. given what we've seen, there's not going to be many of those people, none of the people who you have shown on screen are going to be that person. on that level, it doesn't really matter who he picks amongst this cruel, there are very few of them who are going to have anything substantive to say to contribute to the

administration that he is going to be running. there are some who are definitely worse than others, i will give you that, some who will be more chaotic, more viscerally opposed to the actual action of governing, but i think that as far as who is going to be the top choice? honestly, we are not going to know until trump makes that pic. >> no one is asking us for advice on it anyway. thanks so much. hayes brown is an opinion writer for the msnbc daily. channel 11 steve benen is the author of imposters, how republicans quit governing and seized american politics. donald trump may be forced to split his time between campaigning for president and falling sleep in criminal court, but he's got a whole team making antidemocratic plans on his behalf, exactly what they are up to you and why they are plotting this so openly coming up. coming up.

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speedco donald trump, the presented gop nomination for president hasn't had a lot of time to campaign for the last four weeks. he's been sitting in a manhattan courtroom for his criminal hush money trial. he did attend the spring donor retreat which was conveniently held at his mar-a-lago club in florida. according to nbc news in florida, trump compared the biden administration to the secret police force of germany. according to audio of the luncheon provided to nbc news, trump said, quote, these people are running a gestapo administration, adding, once i got indicted, i said, well, now the gloves have to come off.". often another room, trump's campaign team was delivering a closed-door presentation to donors. they were confident they could flip democratic strongholds in

minnesota and virginia to the trump column in november. this plan of action from team trump comes as biden's reelection team says it's eyeing north carolina and florida, two states where republicans have won in several consecutive presidential elections. joining me from florida is nbc's news correspondent tosha burns. good morning to you, we spoke with the chair of the rnc, michael watley. what does he say about the tumultuous state of the gop right now? >> reporter: both parties have very different problems, but they both have problems when it comes to unity. the solutions are also going to look very different. for the republican party, velshi, they've come out of a really tumultuous primary where nikki haley, being out of the race for months, key battleground states like pennsylvania and you also have a lot of discourse on the hill right now. the chairman, the new chairman of the rnc has been beating the

drum of party unity. i asked him how some of this discord is playing out and impacting this election and what his message to republicans is. take a listen. >> you have some discord on the hill right now when you talk about unity. you have speaker johnson who is under threat of a motion to vacate from marjorie taylor greene and a faction of republicans in the house. what is your message to that small faction that's trying to take his job? >> we see three big selections, we need to elect donald trump as president and expand our majority in the house. we want to do that if we are not unified. we need to make sure that all of the republicans understand the gravity of this election cycle, and they do, and we need to make sure that they are on the same space as we are moving forward. >> reporter: on top of that , this weekend former president

trump did praise speaker johnson. he invited him to mar-a-lago, notably absent was congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, who, as we know, is looking to motion to vacate, to oust the speaker potentially as soon as this week. because some interesting shifting sands given the alliance that has elected for a long time between majorie taylor greene and donald trump. there are people at the retreat were considered to be on the short list for donald trump as running mate for vice presidents. what is your sentiment? i've got a few of them on the screen, these are people who were there. we had a conversation with a few people that suggested that donald trump main criteria for picking a running mate is someone who is not going to mike pence him, who will not have their own view of how things could go and possibly turn on him. >> loyalty is a big factor, the

other big piece of this is money, which we know the trump campaign needs right now. that's a little bit what this weekend was about. there were hundreds of donors here and most of the major candidates for trans-running mates were here, schmoozing with the donors, their chance to impress and show trump, hey, i can help on the fundraising front. in his speech which was more than 90 minutes long, by the way, he did shout out a lot of those contenders. he was praised for grilling university presence on the hill. he said about j.d. vance that he turned out to be incredible after being a critic of his in 2016. when it comes to senator tim scott, he called him an incredible surrogate. he did specifically mentioned that marco rubio and byron donalds are being thought about for bp but they have a florida problem given he is a florida

resident, called doug bergen a rich man and called him impressive and also mentioned christina who is dealing with a puppy problem right now. definitely a bit of a reality this weekend and we will see, ultimately one guy is going to make a decision as much as we want to speculate here, ali. >> creative language, dealing with the little bit of a problem. dasha burns, good to see you my friend. dasha burns with us in lake worth beach florida. speak up the former president finds himself back in a new york city courtroom tomorrow for the start of week four of his hush money interference trial. a lot is going on in that trial. important new testimony from key witnesses. we'll talk about what to expect next on velshi. . (elevator doors opening) wait, there's an elevator? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪

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trump's criminal trial kicks off tomorrow following explosive testimony for multiple key witnesses. aside from establishing just how important witness testimony is for the prosecution's case in the coming days, trump could also face an additional penalty for continuing to violate his gag order. a hearing this week regarding a second set of allegations this already costing trump a total of $9000 with a looming threat of a quote incarcerated or a punishment if his behavior continues. von hilliard has more on what week three has teed up for this week's proceedings. >> she was one of former president trump's most trusted advisors. >> hope. we want hope. >> hope hicks walked into court as a prosecution witness, in his hush money trial. mr. trump, without smiling stared on, first directly at her before turning his attention toward a monitor and

papers in front of him. she admitted she was nervous, at one point becoming emotional, tearing up and needing a break. hicks telling prosecutors the release of the access hollywood tape weeks before the 2016 election was a crisis. i was concerned. very concerned she said. everyone was just absorbing the shock of it hicks testified. adding its impact on women voters was a major concern. the release of the tape helped to propel the hush money scheme. mr. trump friday arguing none of it is related to the charges he is facing. the allegedly disguised reimbursements to michael cohen for hush money payments to stormy daniels as legal expenses and his company's internal books. mr. trump, was pleaded not guilty, slamming a corrupt, ancient, and highly political attack that he says has nothing to do with this big case. >> i'm not allowed to comment on any of that as you know, i am under a gag order.

i was very interested what took place today. >> on cross-examination, trent sexting was asked about a wall street journal report days before the 2016 election on payments made to karen mcdougal book. she said mr. trump did not want the paper delivered to his home that day. he said he really values his wife's opinion and saying of michael cohen, he likes to call himself a fixer, it's only because he first broke it that he'd fix it. notably, hicks testified she was not engaged in negotiations, nor was aware of the hush money payments before they remain, saying she had nothing to do with the trunk trump organization business records. lisa rubin, msn legal correspondent. inc. you for being with us. a few things i want to go through here. talk to me about the hope hicks testimony. hope hicks theory was testifying for the defense here, what was going on, what

got her to get emotional, she is not on trial, what was going on in your opinion? >> it's always hard to see what's going on any witnesses mind. i will give you a personal stake in observing hope hicks. she has a passion for donald trump as a person still. there were a number of points in her direct testimony where she flattered him or talked about what she perceives as his strengths, including the fact that he was involved in all aspects of the communication strategy in the campaign and said blatantly, we were just following his lead. i think there was a portion of her testimony that came at the very end of her direct where she said something publicly and under oath that she's never said before, which was when the stormy daniels story broke and when the karen mcdougal story broke in 2018 about, you know, the reality of the payments and who had made the payment, this is when michael, and came

forward in january and march of 2018, basically saying i made the payments to karen mcdougal myself. she had a private conversation with trump where trump had said to her, cohen made the payments out of the goodness of his heart to protect me against false allegations. he never told any about it until it became too much for him and he had to tell the truth. when asked about that, again, something hope hicks has never talked about before, she said that didn't ring true to her because that was not the michael cohen she knew. the michael cohen she knew was not a selfless person. he was the first person to want to take credit for anything, he was not especially generous. without saying trump liked her, effectively, she was revealing i felt betrayed and lied to by donald trump. having to say that with donald trump right in front of her and confronted him with that i think was an emotional moment for hope hicks, and therefore, when she got to the very beginning of her cross- examination just moments later, she was overcome by the emotion of it all and broke down. >> let's cut and scratch the surface there. it is important to undermine

michael cohen's credibility. so hope hicks, if she thinks she's helping donald trump, doesn't want to make michael cohen seem like a good guy who might have done this as a selfless act. but in doing that, did she realize she might have been contradicting donald trump or suggesting something that was not helpful to his defense? >> she absolutely understood what she was saying. i want to make clear to both you and our viewers, that is consistent with who hope hicks has been historically as a witness. this is not her first rodeo although it was certainly her first time testifying under oath in open court. she has testified to congressional committees previously in ways that you can read, right? she has testified before the house judiciary committee in 2019, she testified before the january 6th mehdi andy reid's transcript reveals a person who is not eager to hurt donald trump but will tell the truth when asked to and has told the truth. that is why when hope hicks

came into the storeroom last week, she and donald trump are no longer on speaking terms, why? because when she testified before the january 6th, for example, she understood full well that what she was saying was not at all helpful to him and what she said nonetheless was that she essentially had a break up with donald trump because they reached a point at the end of his presidency where she felt there was no indication of election fraud worth doing the things that he is doing. she had told him as much. she didn't showed up to work on january 6th. he said to her january 6th was as bad as everyone was saying and looked her right in the eye and said yes, those are things she has publicly said before, it's now public because her transit transcripts are public. the hope hicks we saw last week is consistent with the same hope hicks. in truth teller, although under

duress, but a truth teller nonetheless. >> lisa rubin, msnbc correspondent. we will continue our coverage of everything you need to know about project 2025. is the antidemocratic plan to overhaul the american government at the far right wants to implement donald trump returns to the presidency.

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if you're keeping up with our show, you're familiar with the radical plan of the far right to overhaul our government with the first 180 days of the new republican administration. it's a plan known formally as project 2025. it is spearheaded by the conservative think tank the heritage foundation. the plan is more than 900 pages long, project 2025's advisory board consists of nearly 100 groups of varying far right interests including trump loyalists and abortion activists, christian nationalists, proponents of lgbtq+ rights, and anti- environmentalists. the threat project 2025 poses to our democracy cannot be overstated. at the top plans to consolidate presidential authority, fill

the ranks of the executive branch with loyalists, dismantle civil rights and we can federal agencies that are responsible for a wide array of social services spending from poverty to education to environmental protection. it also advances a christian nationalists agenda, aiming to replace curriculum by redirecting funding which it refers to as a woke education cartel, those are their words, redirecting money to charter and private schools. probably the most troubling aspect of 2025 is its plan to have unchecked power over the executive branch, allowing him to apennines it against his critics, including those in the media who he constantly says he's going to target anyway. project 2025 is ultimately a blueprint for a soft coup come up one that replaces our age- old system of checks and balances. what trump couldn't achieve in his first term, project 2025

seems to facilitate by removing obstacles to his authority. this includes an active plan for purging the executive branch of any dissent with those who pledge fealty to trump. political appointees includes more than 4000 vetted candidates who are, according to the document, ready and willing to begin dismantling the administrative state from day one. in an interview with the new york times, trump advisor put it plainly. what we are trying to do is identify the pockets of independence and sees them,". it doesn't stop there. project 2025 calls for invoking the insurrection act which would allow presidents to employ the military's forces against american citizens who protest their actions, something that is illegal at the moment. additionally, it claims to reverse recent lgbtq+ civil rights protections, including same-sex marriage. it criminalizes transgender identity, equating it with pornography, it would designate librarians who promote banned

books as sex offenders and would define life as beginning at the very moment of conception for the purposes of legal protection. these are just some of the things that the religious life right plans to implement under project 2025. it should alarm you. the greater numbers are underestimating and dismissing the gravity of this plan especially because it's already underway. just in march, tucked within a larger spending bill. congress quietly approved a project 2025 proposal to ban the lgbtq+ rainbow flag from flying over u.s. embassies across the globe. as abortion rights advocate jillian kane actively warns, there is a line in tolstoy's war and peace useful for the moment we are in. nothing was prepared for the war that everyone expected,". i am joined by molly john fast,

msnbc political nihilist and the host of the fast politics podcasts. olivia troy joins us as well, the senior advisor of vice president mike pence and director of 97%, a gun informatization, welcome to both of you. molly, you remember when the republican party decided, they won't actually have a party platform, usually parties debated their conventions, donald trump is going to be there platform. and basically some people were alarmed by that but most people found donald trump is a bit of a stuffed shirt and it didn't really matter. now there is a real platform. this isn't a republican party actually, this is a real platform by far right guests in this country that spell out highly specifically what everyone is going to do. there is no plausible deniability anymore for somebody who votes for donald trump thinking he didn't break anything last time, he will not break anything this time. >> one of the scariest things happening right now is the

republican party has really embraced authoritarian tropism, the stuff trump set for everyone sort of waved and said he won't really do that. all of that stuff is in his document. one of the things that i think is the top line is every single government agency will be politicized. so that means from the fda to -- to the doj, to the epa. every single part of the federal government will be serving trump and his republican party. when you think about that, that's actually really terrifying. the republican party, the house and the senate basically serving as a campaign arm to donald trump. now imagine an entire federal government that serves as a campaign arm to donald trump.

>> olivia, here's the thing that strikes me in reading this. groups like the heritage foundation, it is not a fringe organization. people who watch this may disagree with a lot of the things they do but it is a highly influential fairly mainstream think tank that was once associated with reaganism. what this project 2025 tell us about today's conservative movement >> i am so glad you point that out, and honestly i think as a radical plan by the far right is the correct way to name this. this is not a conservative plan. it is the more extreme of conservatism it shows a transformation of the heritage foundation, a that has long time been respected. i know many people that have worked there and for general counsel, these are honorable, decent people who you may differ on policy, but they were not completely insane about their approaches to things.

they just view the world differently, they limited government. they were usually protecting the government institutions. this is the antithesis of that. what molly said is so accurate. this is the policy plan. while trump may sit there and shift in whatever direction, wherever he gets pushed back, watching the polling thinking what is the most popular thing to say right now, these are the policies of these people. >> molly, donald trump probably hasn't been reading what has been written. for the expansion of executive authority, he speaks in those terms. his entire view of the presidency is presidents should have authority to do all sorts of things. part of the issue with project 2025 is it goes further down that road. the problem with presidential authority as a lot of presidents try to expand it and

everybody supports it when it is their guy. this is an extreme expansion of presidential authority that is going to perhaps change our political landscape and democratic landscape. >> i think the scariest part of this is that the supreme court, justice alito and justice thomas, if they listen to this case, those guys are totally bought in on this. i really do think there is a change from trump in 2016 where he was this outlier that the establishment kind of made fun of, the republican establishment, to now, the republican establishment is all in on this. they have decided they are going to use trump as a sort of trojan horse, get him in there, push embryonic personhood and all of these -- you know, attack on librarians, this kind of stuff, which is an attack on lgbtq. this really idealistic really authoritarian stuff. so i do think it's quite scary

and i do think they are really organized now. they sort of, remember, in a time magazine article, trump said that his mistake was being too nice. what he meant was his mistake was not finding ideologically people completely aligned with his quest for power. he has on those people and he will install them. >> let's do the check and the egg here olivia. would project 2025 have emerged with a different type of republican candidate? is this an opportunity for people who wanted to do all this to say, donald trump is a bit of an empty vessel who believes presidents should have royal type authority, so why do we put everything in this 900 page document. it's crazy stuff, labeling librarians as sets of sex offenders. this is super extreme stuff. who is the leader and was the follower? >> i think this is scary.

i think the charlatans and the craziest of the pack have come together and they have found a home in trump. they have found a leader and they have found someone who will listen, i watch that happen firsthand. i will say this. i lived the trump administration from day one when they came into office. i lived as a public servant i was at dhs when some of these policies were enacted. i have served over under several administrations. i will say this, the behavior of these individuals was very different than anything i have witnessed in the past. that behavior will be more extreme. all of the covenant people that you see in government that have developed these policies were going to be able to say no, you can't do that, this is why, this is why that was enacted, and by the way, that is illegal, all of those people will either be fired, which is what they are saying directly that they are going to do, or they were going to find them in the basement with red staplers and they will be sitting there putting paperclips together and

boxed and while the other loyalists are doing the policies. when you look at the separation in those meetings, i can't tell you how hard it is to sit in those debates and the horrific mess of it and watching the most extreme voices in the room saying we don't care. those are the types of policies that are going to be pushed. >> is a critical that people understand this is real policy? it is on paper, 900 pages long and speaks to every department of government, is it important people on the fence who will vote in november? when we talk about some of us feel like it is a hair on fire discussion about the erosion of democracy, we actually have a plan here. is that going to motivate people to understand this is serious? >> people need to hear it. most voters do not like this. we know most voters in the middle. they do not want this kind of

far right. they don't want taking. they want a president. a lot of republicans, look, we sought in the primaries, even after she dropped out, nikki haley still got 30, 40% in some of these states. because voters don't like trump is him. republicans are afraid of him and they have allowed him to capture their party once again, but i really do think that if he is defeated one more time, i hate to say this, because i know this is an enormous amount of energy, but i don't think the majority of americans believe in this kind of stuff. i know they don't because the stuff is beyond the pale. this isn't something people want. >> it's crazy stuff. i would agree. that's why it's important to read it. even if you are a conservative in this country and we want to have real debates, most people would say this is a bit beyond the pale and it's not the kind of stuff we are looking for. i appreciate you for being here. molly jong-fast is a special correspondent at vanity fair

and msnbc political analyst. olivia troye is a former advisor to mike pence and director of the organization 97%. we will be right back.

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